Community Team Meeting on Thursday, 11rd September 2008
Third IRC meeting of the community team takes place on September 11 at 4 pm UTC on IRC channel #qgis-community-team at irc.freenode.net.
See world clock at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2008&month=9&day=11&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=37&p2=137
Agenda
This third meeting will be used to plan and organize the documentation update for the QGIS 1.0 release again.
- Short introduction why we meet
- Discuss the status of the documentation and the proposed timeline and proceeding
Log
07:45:45 macho: pfew 07:45:47 macho: hi 07:51:08 dassau: hi macho, good to see you have not left to Vorarlberg, yet 07:51:53 macho: but i gotta leave in a few minutes - but i'll leave my client here .. 07:52:12 dassau: ok :- ), 07:52:18 dassau: have you had time to write a short translation note to the lists? 07:52:23 macho: i'll be back a few minutes after 18:00 and then until 18:30 - then i've to go 07:52:49 macho: i write it in the train .. collected al personal adresses from former translators to write directly to them too 07:53:05 dassau: ok - great and thanks a lot! 07:53:16 macho: but the "message to translators" from the wiki is still missing - i'd like to send that too with a few personal notes .. 07:53:42 macho: do you have these sentences somewhere? 07:54:01 macho: the wiki is still offline :( 07:54:11 dassau: no, and I also just checked the wiki. It is still down. I will write to the devel list, why... 07:54:34 sholl2: hi all, 07:55:07 macho: ok fine - thx .. can you send me the "calling for release" email to translators - i'll check with handy and put it to the email i send out as soon as i'm back sunday night 07:55:12 macho: hi stefan 07:55:27 sholl2: hi macho 07:55:54 dassau: hi sholl2 07:56:06 sholl2: hi dassau 07:56:20 sholl2: does anybody know taras nick? 07:56:26 dassau: I just asked on th edecel list, if someone can check, why the wiki is still down 07:56:44 dassau: sorry "on the devel list"... 07:57:01 dassau: sholl2: tara should be tara 07:57:04 sholl2: too bad that the wiki was down today. I wanted to write a short agendao for now. 07:57:34 dassau: yes, you can put it down here, now 07:57:47 sholl2: ok, there is tar1 on #qgis, so she will be here soon. 07:58:38 dassau: sholl2: can you invite her to join qgis-community 07:58:52 sholl2: My time is a little limited, but I think we can discuss the points quite quickly. 07:58:57 sholl2: dassau: will do. 07:59:53 dassau: ok, no problem. I haven't any special topic to discuss or prepaired anything for this meeting 08:00:37 dassau: hi tar1 08:00:42 tar1: good morning 08:00:48 sholl2: well, for me it it is important to have the upcoming timetable set up, so that we can plan the next steps. 08:00:52 dassau: yes, good morning :- ) 08:01:02 sholl2: tar1: good morning, welcome! 08:01:03 tar1: or afternoon as the case may be 08:01:29 dassau: ok, wiki is down... 08:01:36 tar1: yes, that is unfortunate 08:01:37 dassau: so we don't have an agenda... 08:01:53 dassau: maybe sholl2 can start with his topics and then tar1? 08:01:57 tar1: ok 08:02:07 dassau: because I don't have any :- ) 08:02:38 sholl2: ok: here are mine 08:03:00 sholl2: * Timetable 08:03:00 sholl2: * Tasks befor the release 08:03:00 sholl2: * manual in sync with release? 08:03:42 tar1: on the timetable, we originally said we would need at least a month after feature freeze 08:03:43 sholl2: on the ML the devs decided not to release a 1.0.0 before FOSS4G which is IMO a good thing. 08:04:32 sholl2: tar1: yes, at least, thats right. I already started because my time is quite limited within the next month. 08:05:25 sholl2: this would mean, that we have time till mid of october to finish up the screenies and update the texts. 08:05:58 dassau: yes, probably. there is no deadline yet 08:06:22 tar1: as long as we can get started now, we will be making progress 08:06:52 dassau: I didn't have much time during the last weeks, so I will start now, that feature freeze happened 08:07:10 sholl2: are there any open task where no person is responsible for? 08:07:20 tar1: will we want to have a draft for FOSS4G, and perhaps indicate which parts are not yet up-to-date? 08:07:44 dassau: really unfortunate, that we cannot have a look at the wiki right now 08:08:00 tar1: sholl2 - we have responsibility assigned for all the sections, but the authors may need help 08:08:16 tar1: werner has asked for help with plugins 08:08:31 dassau: yes, I told him he should write to the devel list 08:08:45 sholl2: I could offer help on some plugins, but I do not know all plugins by detail though. 08:09:14 dassau: sholl2: ok, so when we write to the list, you should offer your help 08:09:32 sholl2: What about the loads of python plugins? 08:10:06 dassau: we need to decide how to integrate the, 08:10:12 dassau: them 08:10:16 tar1: we would like to have these documented eventually 08:10:32 tar1: probably is not the highest priority 08:10:43 dassau: tar1: yes 08:11:02 dassau: some of them are very interesting and useful, some not 08:11:02 sholl2: yes, I think it would be better to leave the documentation to the original writers, since they know them best. 08:11:16 dassau: that wno't work, I guess 08:11:18 sholl2: tar1: yes, now high priority. 08:11:41 tar1: it would be good if developers can take some responsibility for documentation, but 08:11:48 sholl2: we should at least document all plugins in SVN 08:11:52 dassau: we can ask the developers to write a chapter about their plugins... 08:12:13 tar1: document writers know the latex macros 08:12:23 dassau: but in the end we will probably have to do it 08:12:30 sholl2: I would offer it as a chance to make their plugins more public, when they are mentioned in the manual. 08:12:45 dassau: tar1: and only we know the latex macros - right :- ) 08:13:10 tar1: it needs to be a collaboration 08:13:14 dassau: sholl2: yes, we should definitely ask them, and see what happens 08:13:43 dassau: ok, so Werner, it's his chapter should write a mail to the devel list 08:13:52 sholl2: I coud do that and will write an invitation-email on the dev-list for the external-plugin-writers. even text-snippets will help. 08:14:03 dassau: and we try to collaborate with the plugin developers 08:14:05 macho: back again 08:14:15 tar1: there is I think a list on the wiki for developers who take responsibility for giving advice to document writers about technical issues 08:14:38 dassau: tar1: ok - where? 08:14:50 sholl2: wikis still down... 08:14:51 tar1: well, the wiki is down... 08:15:04 dassau: tar1: Can you tell Werner later, where it is? 08:15:35 dassau: macho: have you followed our current discussion? 08:15:35 tar1: yes - if it is there: if not, we should put one up : ) 08:15:40 macho: ok - so i'm also writing a mail to the dev list asking for help in the plugins section .. 08:15:51 macho: dassau: i read it cross right now 08:15:58 dassau: macho: yes! 08:16:16 dassau: I think it is best, if macho does it, and sholl2 assists 08:16:41 dassau: because it's macho's chapter 08:17:02 dassau: or macho tells us, that we or sholl2 shall do it 08:17:34 macho: yeah - i'd try my best to document the plugins but i need all the help i can get - because for some plugins i dont even know what to do with them - and i've got no showing material 08:18:13 dassau: macho: ok, can you manage that or would you need help from sholl2? 08:18:55 macho: id would be nice if someone can help me - probably in a "private" irc meeting sometime 08:19:25 macho: i'd overwork the plugins chapter anyway because sometimes its very "fishy" to read 08:19:38 tar1: "fishy"? 08:20:13 dassau: ok - fine, so macho and sholl2 organize the plugin chapter update together with the devels - is that ok for you? 08:20:43 sholl2: macho: just share your updates in SVN, probably with some comments so I can update and give a hand where needed. 08:21:38 sholl2: as said, I will assist as good as I can. My working_with_*-chapters need some more work but they seem quite updated for now. 08:22:04 macho: sounds nice .. 08:22:04 dassau: tar1: probably fishy means squishy in the sense of unclear? 08:22:07 tar1: and if the developers agree, we put their names on the wiki for sources of technical assistance to document writers 08:22:26 macho: where i REALLY need help is the "howto write a plugin" section .. but i'll ask the dev-mail-list 08:22:31 dassau: tar1: that is a good idea! 08:22:43 macho: tar1: that would be nice 08:22:45 sholl2: I think the manual is going in the right direction, and perhaps we will get some funding for a translation into german, but this is not sure yet. 08:22:57 tar1: funding- awesome! 08:23:18 dassau: that would be nice 08:24:03 sholl2: well, translations can start, when the english master is done, but we are working on it! 08:24:05 macho: translation into german is a thing where i can help also .. 08:24:16 sholl2: cool! 08:25:31 macho: so for nowunofrtunately i've to leave you to catch my train - I'll work on the plugin chapter during train driving too : ) 08:25:40 sholl2: OK, in this diskussion my questions are nearly all cleared. We should use the wiki ( when its back ) to update the documentation page, especially the status of the several tasks to get an overview of the work. 08:25:43 macho: have a nice weekend - and sorry for leaving .. 08:25:52 tar1: bye, macho 08:25:58 sholl2: macho: you too, thanks for joining! 08:25:59 dassau: macho: ok, and don't forget the translation mail... : ) bye 08:26:35 dassau: ok, are there any other topics we need to discuss here? 08:26:35 macho: dassau: i hope to get the "real prepared mail" befor sunday - then i'll send it out .. 08:26:39 macho: bye 08:26:51 dassau: that's too late 08:27:00 dassau: then I will send a mail, ok? 08:27:32 tar1: i have a topic if others are closed 08:27:44 sholl2: yes, I am done. 08:27:50 dassau: tar1: ok 08:27:51 sholl2: go ahead 08:28:00 tar1: i need to receive a windows build before I can proceed on my sections 08:28:25 tar1: i don't recall who is responsible for creating that? 08:28:33 sholl2: ah, ok. this was on my todo-list for quite some time to cross-compile for windows. 08:28:33 dassau: yes, we should ask Jürgen to help with that 08:28:55 dassau: he is not officially responsible for the window builds 08:29:14 dassau: but he did it the last time for you, as far as I remember - correct? 08:29:19 sholl2: Marco pasetti build them currently, perhaps he could help. 08:29:20 tar1: i think so 08:29:29 tar1: maybe it was marco... 08:29:40 dassau: ok. so Marco or Jürgen 08:29:50 dassau: tar1: can you write them a mail? 08:29:59 tar1: i should have email addresses for both i think 08:30:29 dassau: "Marco Pasetti" <marcopstt@gmail.com> 08:30:30 sholl2: For private education I wanted to compile for windows, but never got to it. Better ask them than weiting for me... 08:30:45 dassau: Jürgen E. Fischer <jef@norbit.de> 08:30:55 tar1: ok 08:31:24 tar1: second topic: do we want to have a draft for FOSS4G? 08:31:27 dassau: I think they already know, that we need a windows build for the documentation, so it should be no problem 08:31:55 dassau: tar1: I think it depends how far we are 08:32:00 sholl2: tar1: well, yes, this is a good idea. Is anybody going there? 08:32:20 dassau: it would be no problem to create one, that's done in 5 minutes 08:32:22 tar1: if a lot of new users check out either 1.0rc or 0.11, we should at least warn them about what parts of the manual are out-of-date 08:32:32 sholl2: next steps should be updating the wiki-status-page so that we get a clear view what neede to be done. 08:32:37 dassau: maybe we decide that a few days before foss4g starts? 08:33:08 sholl2: creating a snapshot is a matter of minutes, so yes, lets decide that just before foss4g. 08:33:20 tar1: could we put a disclaimer at the beginning of each section that says it is not up-to-date yet, then change it when that section gets updated? 08:33:25 dassau: sholl2: do you mean the manual checklist? 08:33:33 sholl2: tar1: yes 08:34:00 sholl2: dassau: yes 08:34:37 tar1: ok, how about I write up a sentence and put in every section so it is all the same 08:35:17 tar1: then each author takes it out when their section is complete 08:35:29 sholl2: +1 for that. 08:35:34 dassau: tar1: yes, good idea 08:36:10 sholl2: just a technical note. Could you commit all files in one commit, when you update the *.tex-files, please? 08:36:37 tar1: not sure that i understand 08:37:58 sholl2: tar1: just ment that you committing should be done in one commit, not every changed file by itself. Tourtoise should support that AFAIK. 08:39:05 tar1: i think so, if i commit at the folder level, but i will have to try it out 08:39:22 sholl2: ok, thanks :- ) 08:39:31 tar1: i am curious what is the difference? 08:40:21 sholl2: tar1: one could roll that commit back at once, it is good committing practice :-/ 08:40:31 tar1: ok thanks 08:40:45 sholl2: to group thematic commits, even if they span across more files. 08:41:08 sholl2: are there more topics? 08:41:18 dassau: not from my side 08:41:18 tar1: thats all for me 08:41:42 dassau: only for macho, although he is already gone :- ) 08:42:00 dassau: macho: I will write a first mail to the lists now 08:42:22 dassau: macho: and you could write a second reminder on sunday or monday, when you are back... 08:42:33 dassau: ok, now I have finsihed : ) 08:42:42 tar1: ok i will sign off now and get working on the manual! 08:42:59 sholl2: OK, so thanks for all. Happy hacking on the manual! 08:43:14 sholl2: I am off as well now. 08:43:21 dassau: tar1: ok - bye tara and thanks as always 08:43:33 dassau: sholl2: thanks to you as well and we meet again on the lists... 08:43:44 dassau: bye! 08:43:44 sholl2: dassau: yes. :- ) 08:43:47 sholl2: bye